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http://www.hamletonline.com/hamletwiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Rosencrantz_and_Guildenstern Rosencrantz and Guildenstern - Revision history 2026-05-04T01:14:13Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.22.1 http://www.hamletonline.com/hamletwiki/index.php?title=Rosencrantz_and_Guildenstern&diff=15089&oldid=prev Administrator: /* Role */ 2022-08-01T20:39:25Z <p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Role</span></span></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr style='vertical-align: top;'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:39, 1 August 2022</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 43:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 43:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; 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Upon their return, they would have run to Claudius with the awful news that Denmark was at war with England again.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Upon learning they were free to go, R &amp; G would have hurried back to the ship as fast as they could scamper.&#160; They would have told the captain to make all sail for Denmark.&#160; Upon their return, they would have run to Claudius with the awful news that Denmark was at war with England again.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; 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Rosencrantz and Guildenstern appear in: [[Scene 7]], [[Scene 8]], [[Scene 9]], [[Scene 10]], [[Scene 12]], [[Scene 13]], and [[Scene 14]].
 
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern appear in: [[Scene 7]], [[Scene 8]], [[Scene 9]], [[Scene 10]], [[Scene 12]], [[Scene 13]], and [[Scene 14]].
  
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